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reimagining worlds without whiteness podcast

About the podcast:

WHITENESS has not always been around. We hope it won’t always be around. How do we go from worlds where whiteness has taken deep root to glimmers of worlds without it?

Whiteness is like an invasive weed. We see the ways it is harming us, as white people and as people of color. Do you know how it is harming you? Do you know what you can do about it? Join us as we weave together our stories into a possible 5-step path to help you move from worlds where whiteness has taken deep root to glimmers of worlds without it. And do you know what the “what’s next” requires? Imagination.

Podcast Inspiration

I often feel I am trapped inside someone else’s imagination, and I must engage my own imagination in order to break free.
— adrienne maree brown

Season 1 was inspired by conversations with 26 co-researchers (12 people of color and 14 white people; ages 21 to 73) from the U.S. and Europe who came together for a Reimagining Whiteness community study.

The podcast is currently in post-production. Coming June 2025. For a sneak peek, here is the podcast trailer and see below for a look ahead at the season 1 episodes.

Podcast episodes

  • Episode 001 - sparking conversations

    It all began with a conversation. Twenty-six co-researchers from the U.S. and Europe - ages 21 to 73, white people and people of color - came together for a conversation. Whiteness has not always been around. We hope it won’t always be around. How do we go from worlds where whiteness has taken deep root to glimmers of worlds without whiteness? From our conversations emerged a possible five-stage path. What is that path?

  • Episode 002 - Seeing Whiteness

    An important step in this reimagining work is seeing whiteness. What is whiteness? How do we define it? How do we see it? Whiteness itself is not an ancestor. Whiteness is not that old. It started as a seed. As an idea in someone else’s imagination. In less than 600 years that seed has sprouted and grown and proliferated across the globe like an invasive weed. How has it taken root in our lives?

  • Episode 003 - Uprooting Whiteness

    Another important step in this work is uprooting whiteness. Internalized whiteness can be likened to an invasive weed that has taken root inside many of us - in the way we think, and act, and feel. And like invasive weeds do, it displaces aspects of ourselves. We see the ways that whiteness is harming us, as white people and as people of color. What are ways that we’ve been able to uproot whiteness in our worlds?

  • Episode 004 - Composting Whiteness

    The concept of composting whiteness comes from the work of fellow researcher, JJ Fiore. It was inspired by the compost politics work of our professor and posthumanist philosopher, Báyò Akómoláfé. Composting whiteness has an alchemical and transformative quality to it. What does composting whiteness mean? How are we composting whiteness in our lives?

  • Episode 005 - Planting Worlds Without Whiteness

    Many anti-racism trainings focus on seeing and uprooting whiteness. Here, we’re looking at what’s next. Once whiteness has been seen, uprooted, and composted, what are we planting? What’s next? According to one co-researcher, “Sometimes it’s hard for us to imagine what something could look like if we don’t have an example of it.” What’s next requires imagination. How are we reimagining worlds without whiteness?

  • Future Episodes

    Join us in future episodes as we share our conversations with you. Conversations that we hope will spark conversations of your own. Our understanding and imaginings continue to evolve and unfold even as we speak. As people of color, we share stories of reimagining therapy, reimagining through art, and reimagining multi-racial identities. As white people, we share stories of reimagining through roots deeper than whiteness, reimagining through animist roots, reimagining ancestral roots as anti-racist practice. And so much more!

about the host

I’m your host, Hana T.

I’m a storyteller, researcher, and podcaster. I’m also a PhD candidate in Depth Psychology with a specialization in Community, Liberation, Indigenous, and Ecological Psychologies at Pacifica Graduate Institute. This podcast emerged from a Reimagining Whiteness community study that I conducted in summer 2023 as part of my M.A./Ph.D. program. The study reflected the curiosities of where I was at on my 20+ year anti-racism journey at the time as a white, U.S. American woman working at the intersection of the intercultural competence and diversity, equity, and inclusion fields and seeking decolonial next steps. What is being planted and growing and emerging in those small clearings of land within our heads, hearts, bodies, souls, relationships, and systems where whiteness is being uprooted and composted? What is being planted and growing in the place of whiteness? What are the pluriversal actualities already taking root?

For the purpose of this study, I convened 26 co-researchers through a focus group and interviews. They are people I met throughout 40 years of life, work, school, and service and with whom I wanted to learn. Now, we share our conversations and stories with you through this podcast.

About the Co-Researchers

  • Atiq Shomar

    You can hear from Atiq in the episode Reimagining Therapy.

  • Carla Dvoracek

    You can hear from Carla in the episode Reimagining Through Ancestral Pilgrimage.

  • Carrie Thomas

    You can hear from Carrie in the episode Reimagining with the Witch Hunts.

  • David Dean

    You can hear from David in the episode Reimagining Through Roots Deeper Than Whiteness.

  • Desirée Gonzalez

    Coming Soon

  • Emily Wilcox

    You can hear from Emily in the episode Reimagining with the Witch Hunts.

  • Elena Degel

    You can hear from Elena in the episode Reimagining Through Chronic Illness.

  • Gemma Goodman

    Coming Soon

  • Gilbert Salazar

    You can hear from Gilbert in the episode Reimagining Through Art.

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    JJ Fiore

    You can hear from JJ in the episode Composting Whiteness and the episode Reimagining Through Roots Deeper Than Whiteness.

  • Jen Luecht

    Coming Soon

  • Joel Gongora

    Coming Soon

  • J.T.T.

    Coming Soon

  • K. Fearsithe

    You can hear from K. Fearsithe in the episode Reimagining with Sisters.

  • Lenéa Sims

    You can hear from Lenéa in the episode Reimagining Through Biracial Roots as Thirdness Consciousness.

  • Luis Carabantes

    Coming Soon

  • M.C.

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  • M.S.

    Coming Soon

  • OhnSoon Kim

    You can hear from OhnSoon in the episode Uprooting Whiteness.

  • Pece Krstevski

    You can hear from Pece in the episode Reimagining Through Ancestral Pilgrimage.

  • Rune Hjarnø Rasmussen

    Coming Soon

  • Sarah Kay Peters

    You can hear from Sarah in the episode Reimagining with the Witch Hunts.

  • Stevie

    You can hear from Stevie in the episode Reimagining Community Connections.

  • T. Fearsithe

    You can hear from T. Fearsithe in the episode Reimagining with Sisters.

  • TBD

    Coming Soon

  • Veselka Matichevska

    You can hear from Veselka in the episode Reimagining Through Ancestral Pilgrimage.

“This is pluriversal possibility in action.”

-Desirée Gonzalez, co-researcher